tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post4600732351259989116..comments2024-03-23T04:12:08.762-07:00Comments on Big Blue 1840-1940: North Ingermanland & ForgeriesJimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-56408230840280540662022-12-12T20:50:00.444-08:002022-12-12T20:50:00.444-08:00Thanks for sharing this. I actually landed with a ...Thanks for sharing this. I actually landed with a stamp similar to yours (mine is with beautiful Kirjasalo SOTN cancellation), and it got me stumped for a while. This comment cleared up a lot....keijohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16819727048104683485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-90895474227194752752021-09-17T12:42:07.696-07:002021-09-17T12:42:07.696-07:00Jim, Another observation that on the 10p (Scott#8)...Jim, Another observation that on the 10p (Scott#8), in addition to the double line, there is often a blue "blob" on the upper right hand corner of the escutcheon. This printing flaw seems to always coincide with the double line forgery & therefore maybe another indicator of a forgery. What do you think? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16957516325947632173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-70717472457135042202021-09-07T16:52:23.058-07:002021-09-07T16:52:23.058-07:00Good observation Bill. I notice most of my forgeri...Good observation Bill. I notice most of my forgeries are off center.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-82447265555181398502021-09-06T12:06:07.586-07:002021-09-06T12:06:07.586-07:00My experience is that the forgeries are almost alw...My experience is that the forgeries are almost always off center with cruder background shading. Using this criteria, one can always spot the forgeries on ebay without looking at the minutiae of the design. Try it sometime. Find the offcenter listing & then Check it out for signs of forgery. Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-9549428571213340842019-12-18T12:13:23.164-08:002019-12-18T12:13:23.164-08:00Gina - patience will be rewarded. ;-)Gina - patience will be rewarded. ;-)Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-75603369748975703152019-12-17T21:49:48.920-08:002019-12-17T21:49:48.920-08:00Utilizing your excellent Forgery Detection criteri...Utilizing your excellent Forgery Detection criteria, I was pleased to discover that I do have a genuine North Ingermanland Scott #10. Unfortunately, my Karelia Bear stamp is a forgery, and there aren't any single Bears currently listed on eBay. Gina S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469263840026657884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-35092827961259224932019-11-07T12:01:42.846-08:002019-11-07T12:01:42.846-08:00Wow - great!
Thanks for furthering the cause for ...Wow - great!<br /><br />Thanks for furthering the cause for those of us that would like to tell the difference between genuines/forgeries.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-57569607803497282802019-11-07T08:45:04.202-08:002019-11-07T08:45:04.202-08:00Hi,
I wrote an article in FAKES, FORGERIES AND EX...Hi,<br /><br />I wrote an article in FAKES, FORGERIES AND EXPERTS journal about North-Ingria II series counterfeits. I studied the difference in paper quality and fiber orientation and thickness in genuine and counterfeit stamps.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072136584211987279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-49451384427928959712016-11-07T06:06:38.165-08:002016-11-07T06:06:38.165-08:00I sometimes forget that the most accessible/ obvio...I sometimes forget that the most accessible/ obvious place to look are catelogues. ;-) Thanks Steamboat.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-16217077935551169462016-11-07T01:28:56.813-08:002016-11-07T01:28:56.813-08:00I have yet another source in the "Facit Speci...I have yet another source in the "Facit Special Classic 2016" catalogue:<br /><br />"Only one post office existed in Kirjasalo. /../ and was nearly all the time located in Rautu on the finnish side of the border."-= Steamboat Willie =-https://www.blogger.com/profile/06150545579485093791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-15600455976549769422016-11-06T16:41:13.378-08:002016-11-06T16:41:13.378-08:00"Ironically, the Kirjasalo post office was no... "Ironically, the Kirjasalo post office was not in North Ingermanland itself but at the Rautu railroad station on the Finnish side of the border (see map)."<br /><br />Gerben- thanks for the source link you found. I think my source was different than this, but fortunately they agree about the mail being handled on the Finnish side of the border.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-49463856325817434662016-11-06T08:53:41.479-08:002016-11-06T08:53:41.479-08:00Sorry, here is the link: http://www.scc-online.org...Sorry, here is the link: http://www.scc-online.org/old/ph06feb.pdfGerben van Gelderhttp://www.stampworldhistory.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-45172761904669297392016-11-06T08:50:57.424-08:002016-11-06T08:50:57.424-08:00I found this resource, that may refresh your memor...I found this resource, that may refresh your memory... It, in any case, confirms the reading that the post office was at Rautu. I explicitly asked for a reference, because Michel states there was one post office in Kirjasalo sic. Conflicting resources, always a pleasure....Gerben van Gelderhttp://www.stampworldhistory.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-43954551284945231072016-11-06T02:52:39.299-08:002016-11-06T02:52:39.299-08:00Yes, could be Rautu. Unfortunately, I cannot site ...Yes, could be Rautu. Unfortunately, I cannot site my source, as the sands of time has faded the memory, and I did not keep notes. If I find the source again, I will update here.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-26432247784374909042016-11-06T01:54:28.517-08:002016-11-06T01:54:28.517-08:00Jim
You mention that the only post office of Nort...Jim<br /><br />You mention that the only post office of North Ingermandland was actually located in Tautu (maybe this should be Rautu) across the border in Finland. Is there a specific resource that you can refer to for this piece of information?Gerben van Gelderhttp://www.stampworldhistory.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-70998160523908536162015-10-12T06:41:52.834-07:002015-10-12T06:41:52.834-07:00Robert- glad you found the genuine/forgery compari...Robert- glad you found the genuine/forgery comparisons useful. Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-14767017721079412732015-10-12T00:58:12.807-07:002015-10-12T00:58:12.807-07:00old album circa 1926 had 9 stamps of North Ingerma...old album circa 1926 had 9 stamps of North Ingermanland. All appear to be genuine as illustrated in this article Thanks (not the expensive ones of course)<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02587426230080092275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-6970885065293767812015-07-12T09:07:02.702-07:002015-07-12T09:07:02.702-07:00Fixed. Thanks Steamboat.Fixed. Thanks Steamboat.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-3996007178109458412015-07-12T03:00:19.529-07:002015-07-12T03:00:19.529-07:00The caption says: "1920 Scott 2 20p rose red ...The caption says: "1920 Scott 2 20p rose red "Arms" but it's an illustration of the 10p.-= Steamboat Willie =-https://www.blogger.com/profile/06150545579485093791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-67683909410765247512015-01-25T15:57:52.047-08:002015-01-25T15:57:52.047-08:00Thank you rw for the very interesting note from Va...Thank you rw for the very interesting note from Varro Tyler. As you probably know, he passed away in 2001.<br /><br />Re-reading his "Focus on Forgeries- c 2000" he states for the genuine:<br />"There is usually no dot present above the lines." !! (Note "usually" !)<br /><br />So perhaps he indeed incorporated your apparently genuine stamp with the dot present?<br /><br />The forgery should still have the white bar to the left of the lower right corner "M" with no notch in the upper end, so there is still a good sign for the forgery stamp.<br /><br />Thanks you rw!<br /><br />I'll change the post to reflect these findings.<br />Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-87250525393781363012015-01-25T14:29:29.309-08:002015-01-25T14:29:29.309-08:00Nice web site. Here is information that is pertin...Nice web site. Here is information that is pertinent to a stamp shown on this page.<br /><br />I have a 10 M stamps from this set that appears genuine in all respects (perfs, paper color, etc), except it has a dot in the oval under the second O of POHJOIS. In early 2000 I wrote Varro E. Tyler about this, and he wanted to see the stamp. So I sent it to him. His response of Jan. 24, 2000 is below:<br /><br />“Your 10-M Ingermanland stamp, returned herewith, is perfectly genuine. The two lines are basically separate, although they come close at the left end. In the forgeries, these are blended together almost all the way.<br /><br />“The problem is that dot. It was not present on the genuine copies I had previously seen, but it certainly is on yours. We need to see more copies to know if this occurs with any frequency. The other characteristics are OK.<br /><br />“I’ll keep my eyes open and see what turns up. I would appreciate it if you would do the same and let me know of any additional genuines with dot. <br /><br />“Many Thanks. (signed) Varro”<br /><br />As far as I know, Mr. Tyler never published a correction to his original column in Linns that dealt with this stamp.<br /><br />So, it appears the presence of a dot in this place is not infallible proof that the stamp is a forgery.<br /><br />My guess is that this dot started out as a lithographic flaw on at least one position of the genuine stamps. The stamp from that position was used to make the forgeries, thereby transferring this flaw to all of them.<br /><br />rwrwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17207523257976541074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-20615842368593582832014-08-12T06:22:13.394-07:002014-08-12T06:22:13.394-07:00Thanks Keijo for the additional comments- as usual...Thanks Keijo for the additional comments- as usual, very helpful. :-)Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-66421865524106201642014-08-11T23:49:31.836-07:002014-08-11T23:49:31.836-07:00Nice entry... Can't really add much else than:...Nice entry... Can't really add much else than: <br /><br />* Genuine stamps are always perf. 11½ or imperf <br />Forgeries are usually something else. In addition of UK forgeries, I recall reading about a 'Danish release' in the 1960/70s. <br /><br />* Genuine postal use is rare as hens teeth<br />Most used items are simply CTOs or from philatelic mail. <br /><br />* The specialized resources list 1-3 shades for each stamp<br /><br />* The first series can be found with overprint "Malli". These are simply specimen overprints. <br /><br />* The second series is somewhat common with overprint "Inkerin hyväksi" meaning "Pro Ingermanland". Again - plenty of forgeries here. <br /><br />Funny how much one can know about a certain country/set without having a single specimen in one's collection. LOL. <br /><br />-k-<br />keijohttp://www.stampcollectingblog.comnoreply@blogger.com