tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post2304669527296180062..comments2024-03-23T04:12:08.762-07:00Comments on Big Blue 1840-1940: Batum and the "Aloe Tree" ForgeriesJimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-1809329699326365012019-12-21T15:35:37.771-08:002019-12-21T15:35:37.771-08:00Hi Gina
The Packet trade supplied plenty of stamp...Hi Gina<br /><br />The Packet trade supplied plenty of stamps for European collectors also. ;-)<br /><br />It is certainly possible that the European dealers are more careful about what they offer - hence more genuines.<br /><br />I should mention that a source for WW collectors here in the U.S. especially would be the American Philatelic Society (APS) website stamp store. There tends to be more genuine stamps offered there - although it is still caveat emptor. Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-89137281221602316052019-12-21T15:00:54.398-08:002019-12-21T15:00:54.398-08:00As a snapshot today (12/21/19) of eBay for the Bat...As a snapshot today (12/21/19) of eBay for the Batum originals (SC 1-6), virtually all the listings are forgeries. I found one auction that had 2 unspecified genuine stamps, and another that offered 3 out of 4 genuine stamps. These forgeries were not going for cheap prices either. <br /><br />My casual observation is that European dealers were more likely to offer genuine stamps issued by obscure countries (i.e. Batum, Karelia, White Russia, etc.) and the US dealers are selling virtually all forgeries. Is this due to the packet trade having dumped more forgeries into the US and that stock just keep circulating? <br /><br />Thanks to Jim's invaluable forgery detection, I am confidently bidding on a Ukrainian seller's genuine pair of Batum Aloe Trees. This will help ameliorate my current situation of owning zero genuine Batum Aloe Trees. Gina S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469263840026657884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-13347240753426308142015-12-24T03:43:09.745-08:002015-12-24T03:43:09.745-08:00I see, thank you very much sir. I'll join the ...I see, thank you very much sir. I'll join the forum in the future. But at least i know my stamp have the tall measurement of 25,4 mm. :D<br />It's okay sir, you're not the first one who called me that. ;)<br /><br />TimurMas Karebethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01001748346966706731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-3492972573219578312015-12-23T06:45:14.572-08:002015-12-23T06:45:14.572-08:00Sorry Timur for misspelling your name. ;-)
JimSorry Timur for misspelling your name. ;-)<br /><br />JimJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-47815954714693330162015-12-23T06:43:56.785-08:002015-12-23T06:43:56.785-08:00Hello Timor and greetings to Indonesia.
I'm n...Hello Timor and greetings to Indonesia.<br /><br />I'm not an expert in the surcharged stamps of Batum- I've only done a study on the stamps presented here. I suggest you scan the stamp and ask your question on one of the stamp forums I have listed down the left side of the blog. Good luck!Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-46218369655000228412015-12-23T02:46:09.208-08:002015-12-23T02:46:09.208-08:00Dear mr. Jim,
Hello i'm timur, i'm a col...Dear mr. Jim,<br /><br /><br />Hello i'm timur, i'm a collector from Solo, Indonesia.<br />Lately, i bought some stamps from the local book market in my hometown and one of the stamp i got is Batum overprinted britsh occupation 10 ruble. <br />After i read this article, it's really fascinating that this kind of stamp was forged many times. In fact, i confuse to decide whether my stamp is genuine or forged one.<br />So if you don't mind, may i ask for your assistance to judge is my batum stamp a genuine or forged one please?<br />Thank you<br />Kind regards,<br /><br />TimurMas Karebethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01001748346966706731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-52037396712948944592015-03-16T18:48:58.995-07:002015-03-16T18:48:58.995-07:00Thank you Richard
Coming from your fine organizat...Thank you Richard<br /><br />Coming from your fine organization, it is much appreciated. <br /><br />Jim JacksonJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-19019596429194055592015-03-16T17:03:41.685-07:002015-03-16T17:03:41.685-07:00Congratulation on a great study.
Extremely usefull...Congratulation on a great study.<br />Extremely usefull !<br />Richard Gratton, Secretary of the Fakes and Forgeries Commission.<br />http://www.fipfakesforgeries.org/fip/<br />Draculahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11556745639131867432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-28997174405692030902014-03-15T16:47:26.722-07:002014-03-15T16:47:26.722-07:00Thanks Brian - when "work" is "play...Thanks Brian - when "work" is "play', it is fun!<br /><br />JimJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-68931006332674509692014-03-15T14:37:40.716-07:002014-03-15T14:37:40.716-07:00Great to read this again Jim. Now I know my stamps...Great to read this again Jim. Now I know my stamps shown on SCF are genuine. Great Work and research.Brian Cannonhttp://www.brcstamps.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-78831375128668395272013-06-08T22:36:01.149-07:002013-06-08T22:36:01.149-07:00Hi Matt
Not that I am aware of....
Jim
---------...Hi Matt<br /><br />Not that I am aware of....<br /><br />Jim<br />--------------------------------------------------------<br />In the genuine issue,the transfer blocks of six subjects have separation angles noted for the second British occupation issue of 1920 -Scott 57-65.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-2166213408059501222013-06-08T20:04:43.596-07:002013-06-08T20:04:43.596-07:00Hi Jim:
Great work on this site.
Question for you...Hi Jim:<br /><br />Great work on this site.<br />Question for you - the Russica Journal article on this issue<br />http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00020235/00055/81j<br />shows spearating angles printed on the 1920 issue stamps (page 87, Fig. 15). Do any of the faked stamps also show these?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Matt Z.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-13517602755140734382012-11-29T06:19:52.878-08:002012-11-29T06:19:52.878-08:00Hi André
I appreciate the nice words-thanks!
I th...Hi André<br />I appreciate the nice words-thanks!<br /><br />I think you will have a great time putting together a 1840-1940 collection.<br /><br />One will have to examine at the outset whether the collection will be for "fun" (little money), or more "serious" (A budget for stamps).<br /><br />But the nice thing about a WW collection, is the stamps are everywhere.<br /><br />- Attend the local stamp club. One will find collectors who are willing to sell you their collections and extras as they specialize in a country.<br /><br />- Let local dealers know you are collecting Classical era WW and countries. You would be surprised what comes out of this relationship over time.<br /><br />-Try to buy a Big Blue full of stamps- or several of them.<br />A good way to jump start a collection.<br /><br />-Ebay and Delcampe are good sources. I have used both.<br /><br />-APS stamp store is great for specific needs.<br /><br />-APS stamp circuits can be good. I don't have a personal subscription, but the stamp club does.<br /><br />-Local or Regional stamp shows- Many dealers.<br /><br />-Major Stamp Catalogue Auctions- I haven't yet used, as the above sources have been enough so far, but will probably use in the future.<br /><br />André- Good luck! Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-3714885394425422132012-11-29T05:05:20.154-08:002012-11-29T05:05:20.154-08:00Hi Jim,
Congratulations for your blog. Always upd...Hi Jim,<br /><br />Congratulations for your blog. Always updated and with interesting posts. Excellent job.<br />I'm starting a worldwide collection 1840-1940 (similar to yours) and I wonder if you can direct me to stamp dealers specialized in this period and type of material. You buy mainly through stamp dealers, stamp auctions or eBay, Delcampe and other similar site?<br /><br />Best whishes,<br /><br />AndreAndré Ruzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01147734847927583608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-86196053755438802292012-11-18T12:49:16.454-08:002012-11-18T12:49:16.454-08:00Hi Bud
Information on who made the forgeries is sk...Hi Bud<br />Information on who made the forgeries is sketchy. The type I forgeries have been called "Vienna" forgeries, and we're apparently in dealer's stocks as early as 1921. But that just means they were available in Vienna, and not necessarily made there.<br /><br />Type II forgeries were thought to have been made by N. Imperato, a Genoa stamp forger in the 1920s.<br /><br />JimJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-25802179660984614902012-11-18T10:03:44.423-08:002012-11-18T10:03:44.423-08:00Dear Jim,
Drawing all of this information into on...Dear Jim,<br /> Drawing all of this information into one essay is quite an accomplishment and a real help to all of us. Many thanks. I wonder if you’ve come across any information about those who made the forgeries and what their intentions might have been – counterfeit usage, duping collectors, or even semi-official reproductions (postal clerk ran out of stamps and decided to take pen in hand). When were the forgeries made? Did any of them actually get used as postage with legitimate cancellations? Whom did the faker(s) hope to deceive? Information about the social context of these forgeries probably exists somewhere and I always find that sort of thing interesting, especially if something more that duping us naive collectors out of a few bucks motivated the fakery.<br />Budhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18202098671443782842noreply@blogger.com