tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post165024162291394689..comments2024-03-23T04:12:08.762-07:00Comments on Big Blue 1840-1940: Upstairs, Downstairs: Palo & Steiner Stamp Album PagesJimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-39545323622756724822018-03-12T11:04:59.862-07:002018-03-12T11:04:59.862-07:00Chris - I agree, it is an attractive solution. And...Chris - I agree, it is an attractive solution. And with Steiner, one can choose any country, any time, to print if needed.<br /><br />I've managed, as you know, to have my classical era collection in Steiner pages - all 6,500 pages. ;-) <br /><br />If I had unlimited space, and a very large budget for Vario F & G binders, I could do the same thing with the 1941-1969 semi-modern WW era. But I don't and I don't. ;-)Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-80813320591650343072018-03-11T14:51:12.722-07:002018-03-11T14:51:12.722-07:00I'm finally starting to come around...I'm ...I'm finally starting to come around...I'm finding that using Steiner's pages on the right kind of paper in a Vario F binder is a very attractive, yet affordable solution. I would not use it for a worldwide collection, myself, but for a few individual countries that you want to collect more deeply, it's a great option.ChrisWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271059939734829748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-26719346695040542432018-03-11T13:37:03.288-07:002018-03-11T13:37:03.288-07:00Thanks! "Comfortable with the expense" i...Thanks! "Comfortable with the expense" is always the issue isn't it? I love to see a beautiful album, but hesitate to spend more on the albums than on what's between the covers... gmothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878133438424048664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-28611166544561076012018-03-10T08:53:16.181-08:002018-03-10T08:53:16.181-08:00I've never seriously considered Lighthouse hin...I've never seriously considered Lighthouse hingeless albums because of the expense and the Michel catalogue layout, but I have no doubt they are of the highest quality (German obsessiveness). If you are looking at the German area, I think it would be an excellent choice, provided you are comfortable with the expense.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-49865813855941483832018-03-10T07:31:47.647-08:002018-03-10T07:31:47.647-08:00Would be interested in your thoughts on Lighthouse...Would be interested in your thoughts on Lighthouse albums. Of all I've seen, I find them the most attractive. But certainly expensive - to get just the German and all-German related albums would be around $3,000 (hingeless) last I checked.gmothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878133438424048664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-50276065720806887872018-03-08T19:40:56.244-08:002018-03-08T19:40:56.244-08:00Chris - that should work!Chris - that should work!Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-84149773491744905472018-03-08T15:23:10.435-08:002018-03-08T15:23:10.435-08:00Great, thanks so much. My Turkey pages are 173 up...Great, thanks so much. My Turkey pages are 173 up thru 1960 (including "Turkey in Asia") so should fit nicely in two binders.ChrisWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271059939734829748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-4962477466703352932018-03-07T18:01:26.745-08:002018-03-07T18:01:26.745-08:00Between 100 (nice) -140 pages (full).Between 100 (nice) -140 pages (full).Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-50171852680969694552018-03-07T16:05:04.628-08:002018-03-07T16:05:04.628-08:00Jim,
Just wondering how many pages you typically c...Jim,<br />Just wondering how many pages you typically can fit in your Vario F binders? Thinking about putting my Turkey Steiner pages in one (or maybe two?)ChrisWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271059939734829748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-43701105554005150142018-03-05T08:25:08.258-08:002018-03-05T08:25:08.258-08:00That's what I do too, Chris, only I use pages ...That's what I do too, Chris, only I use pages without quadrilling. It's just a personal preference. When I take enough time to make the pages attractive, they look fine. But if I hurry, they begin to look saggy if not chaotic.Budhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18202098671443782842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-84822978011616834442018-03-05T06:39:47.957-08:002018-03-05T06:39:47.957-08:00I agree that what Rod does is ideal, which not onl...I agree that what Rod does is ideal, which not only would take a lot of time, but a lot of space and binders! I would bet that he has several 100s of binders for his collection.<br /><br />What to do with the "extra" stamps when one uses the New Ideal album is tough since they are bound, but I have recently started just using blank quadrille pages for my extra items for my Big Blue and just writing them up (like folks did in the 'old days') using a pen. The freedom is quite liberating!<br /><br />I do, also, have a single-country collection of Turkey that I use modified Steiner pages that I add additional tidbits of information. <br />ChrisWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271059939734829748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-14894224521707232972018-03-04T22:00:00.972-08:002018-03-04T22:00:00.972-08:00Hi Crispin
Thanks for adding to the discussion- y...Hi Crispin<br /><br />Thanks for adding to the discussion- you make some telling observations.<br /><br />I agree the stamps are the most important thing. In an ideal situation, I too would like all my stamps to be tucked away nicely in matching albums, and be in "presentation mode". But reality is different, mainly because of time constraints. True, I have managed to but my 1840-1940 collection all in Steiner pages. But, the 1941-1969 and 1970+ stamps are scattered in feeder albums of all sizes, Minkus Supremes, and stockbooks. Objectively - a mess!<br /><br />What Rod does is ideal. If I only had more time...Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-61483992214736283592018-03-04T21:08:07.345-08:002018-03-04T21:08:07.345-08:00Hi Jim
thanks for another very interesting analys...Hi Jim<br /><br />thanks for another very interesting analysis of possible homes for ones collection. Something I noticed when you put the pages side by side is that most of the extra page size is in the margins, not only are the layouts the same as the Steiner pages but the decorative border on the Palo page is only spaced a small amount outside the area occupied by the Steiner page. <br /><br />I've been thinking what to do with the countries I want to expand beyond the limits of my New Ideal albums, either by date or by including the many varieties and issues that aren't catered for there. I could never dream of buying new Palo albums for the sort of money they want. I'm definitely a woodshed or scullery sort of guy.<br /><br />Steiner pages are one possibility I'm thinking of very seriously for my general collection, and I've also been lucky and picked up some very nice partly filled albums for less than the market place cost of the stamps which I've enjoyed adding to.<br /><br />For me the big question is am I collecting stamps or making a collection of fabulous albums with some stamps in. I look at the pages that Rod222 posts on SCF with all the information and detail that he manages to add in and think that's something I can aspire to - and afford! <br /><br />I know my shelves will look a jumble of dodgy binders and random albums of different sizes and colours, and part of me regrets that, but I also think I may be able to focus on stamps and varieties that really interest meCrispinhjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16161265563480119334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-51752478769984157382018-03-03T16:44:37.537-08:002018-03-03T16:44:37.537-08:00I would think the penthouse. ;-)
The estimate of ...I would think the penthouse. ;-)<br /><br />The estimate of $30,000 for 1840-1940 Palo pages is higher than what I have seen prior, and perhaps argues for Steiner pages even more.<br /><br />I've had a dialogue with a SCF member who was arguing that buying all the Palo pages made economic sense, when one factors in the time affixing mounts and creating Steiner pages. He was also arguing that Palo pages were archival, but I've seen no evidence.<br /><br />I'm adding that dialogue here, as it is germane to the post topic..<br /><br />Him: "After adding the cost of the mounts, the time spent cutting and affixing mounts, and the cost of real archival paper of the same weight, how much are you REALLY saving?"<br /><br />Me: "Fair question- I suspect some might be interested in a ball park estimate.<br /><br />For a WW 1840-1940 (-1952 British Commonwealth) collection, the Steiner and the Palo would require essentially the same number of pages, as the Palo is based on the Steiner layout for the most part.<br /><br />Palo<br />6,500 pages @ $3.50/page (your estimate) = $22,750<br />I know very few people that would willingly up-front spend $22,000 just for album pages for a WW collection. I wouldn't.<br /><br />BTW, I see nothing on the Palo site that states their paper is "archival", whatever that means. They say "acid free". <br /><br />Steiner<br />6,500 pages @ $0.55/page (70 lb acid free paper-.02, ink-.05, Mounts-.48)<br /><br />Cost= $3575<br /><br />Of course one buys the mounts, paper, and ink piecemeal as needed for one's collection. The cost is much less painful when spread out over a number of years.<br /><br />So how much an I really saving?<br /><br />Precisely $19,175 <br /><br />But I don't charge for my own time, as, for me, stamp collecting is a hobby, is very enjoyable (yes, even cutting mounts!), and I am retired. <br /><br />So enjoy your Palo pages- they are nice. <br /><br />If I collected a few countries, I would consider them also."<br /> Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-65223706846527150952018-03-03T15:28:52.942-08:002018-03-03T15:28:52.942-08:00Just for the kicks of it, I once e-mailed Palo ask...Just for the kicks of it, I once e-mailed Palo asking how much it would cost for a set of worldwide pages for 1840-1940, and here's what Paul wrote me back:<br /><br />"It’s very difficult to give you an exact price for ALL pages up to 1940. However, we have a customer who currently has a budget to spend $1000 per month on worldwide hingeless pages up to 1940. He’s been doing this for about 12 month now and he is on the letter “G”. So, I can imagine hingeless pages and binders may end up costing him about $30,000 total. Non-hingeless, I would guess to be about one-third of that."<br /><br />Now, that's really living 'upstairs' :-) ChrisWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271059939734829748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-70782151990444045992018-03-03T12:20:26.809-08:002018-03-03T12:20:26.809-08:00Ok, not woodshed, maybe, but no more than scullery...Ok, not woodshed, maybe, but no more than scullery. Budhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18202098671443782842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-66091412654792184142018-03-03T09:32:28.944-08:002018-03-03T09:32:28.944-08:00Ha-Ha, Bud, you don't have to remain in the &q...Ha-Ha, Bud, you don't have to remain in the "woodshed". I included Big Blue as part of the "Downstairs" grouping. ;-)<br /><br />And as you point out, one has to improvise with any album, as none of them provide "all" the spaces for the myriad stamps acquired.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-24265895934802373812018-03-03T09:24:17.927-08:002018-03-03T09:24:17.927-08:00Well, if Palo indicates "upstairs" and S...Well, if Palo indicates "upstairs" and Steiner "downstairs," I suppose my sticking with BB and adding pages for stamps excluded by it indicates "woodshed." I happily accept the moniker. Such provides me make-believe spaces on blank pages for stamps that none of the albums have, such as a recently acquired assortment of 19th century Morocco locals.Budhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18202098671443782842noreply@blogger.com