tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post2702408433303868081..comments2024-03-23T04:12:08.762-07:00Comments on Big Blue 1840-1940: BatumJimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-88009444845076416292012-08-13T21:56:25.255-07:002012-08-13T21:56:25.255-07:00Thanks Dennis
For a foretaste on the Batum Forger...Thanks Dennis<br /><br />For a foretaste on the Batum Forgeries, check out my posts on Stamp Community Forum.<br /><br />http://www.stampcommunity.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26342Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-70827320104365361232012-08-13T17:44:04.580-07:002012-08-13T17:44:04.580-07:00Thanks, Jim, for following up on this. I figured ...Thanks, Jim, for following up on this. I figured you'd not get to it for a while and hadn't checked back. That even Stanley Gibbons got taken underscores how widespread the problem is. I'll look forward to your post in November.<br /><br />DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-82481833696234723772012-07-30T11:11:56.010-07:002012-07-30T11:11:56.010-07:00Dennis, and others who take an interest in the Bat...Dennis, and others who take an interest in the Batum "Aloe tree" issues...<br /><br />I am preparing a blog (To come out around November, 2012) that will illustrate and clarify the genuine originals from the two major Forgeries around.<br /><br />Dennis, you are absolutely right about the rampant forgeries being sold on ebay.<br /><br />And the Scott classic catalogue not only illustrates one forgery, but two!<br /><br />I have written to them, and they will use my image of the genuine 5k green for the next edition.<br /><br />And if that is not surprising enough, Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth 1840-1970 catalogue also illustrates a forgery! I have alerted them.<br /><br />JimJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-91254505066679193642012-07-05T08:24:48.398-07:002012-07-05T08:24:48.398-07:00Dennis- Batum is filled with forgeries, and if I h...Dennis- Batum is filled with forgeries, and if I have the time- I do have the interest - I will revisit Batum with a look at the forgeries.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02024632082262694589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-30020804194131331362012-07-03T20:24:52.923-07:002012-07-03T20:24:52.923-07:00One more comment. I see that Scott Classic Specia...One more comment. I see that Scott Classic Specialized does have a counterfeit warning for Batum--I overlooked it.<br /><br />But, take a look at the stamp illustrating the first series, a 5 kopeck green aloe tree. It's a fake. The center tree branches go straight up and there are seven dots above the 5 on the right tablet.<br /><br />Can this be true? Or are these two criteria for "easily" detecting fakes for the kopeck stamps (not as easy for the ruble stamps), criteria that I found repeated several places on the web incorrect?<br /><br />Curioser and curioser.<br /><br />DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-75021314077778520462012-07-03T19:48:43.055-07:002012-07-03T19:48:43.055-07:00Just did a survey of what's on offer on EBay a...Just did a survey of what's on offer on EBay and bidStart and, out of about 30 or 35 stamps of the first series, I saw perhaps 3 or 4 genuine ones. The rest seem to be fakes but none of the sellers acknowledges that--including the sets where fakes intermingle with genuines. (Several of the sets appear to be all fakes).<br /><br />On the other hand, the going prices (about 1/2 to 2/3 Scott cv) probably are low precisely because everyone tacitly assumes that everyone knows that most of these are fakes??? Genuine Batum even in fine or f/vf condition would bring more like 100% of Scott cv?? In other words, as someone in one of the internet articles I read pointed out, a predominance of fakes has been factored into the Scott value??<br /><br />I'm just a rank amateur on this--perhaps what I wrote here is common knowledge. But it was news to me and it was Jim's passing comment at the end of this entry that first got my attention. Scott's Classic Specialized does not warn users that fakes are common--normally the catalogue does warn people. Odd.<br /><br />DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190925726844102948.post-36148669380022399482012-07-03T18:52:50.001-07:002012-07-03T18:52:50.001-07:00Don't know if it matters anymore, but as I was...Don't know if it matters anymore, but as I was going about the acquisition of some Batum, alerted by your comment above, I did some internet searching.<br /><br />The six pearls versus seven only applies to Kopeck denominations. All three individual illustrations in this entry are ruble stamps, where the 7 pearls is okay on the right.<br /><br />The ruble stamps of the first series each have different "forgery" identifiers. The 5 ruble you illustrate first should have the TY touching.<br /><br />But that's just based on a cursory reading of what's on the web. I'm certainly not in a position to take a position on the stamps you show here.<br /><br />DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com